Lewis Hamilton becomes youngest World Champion in F1

So after two years we are here looking at Hamilton as the World Champion. The win makes him the first ever black champion, and the youngest ever, quite a feat and all by an Englishman (A long time ago since we had one of these).

So the ruthless, almost Schumacher like Hamilton has done and it took alot of controversy through a tough fought season, and eventual brilliance to get it.

TH

WHAT?!

That sounds racist,do you think the color of his skin had any significance on his success, or the fact that he holds a british passport.Why do we have to celebrate his success in conjunction to the color of his skin.
Btw do you call negroes in your country African-British, if so it is an African success as these people feel that its their "proud" African heritage that is key to their success, and not at all the opportunities, training and money SHOVELED in their way by British whites,in order to push a PC "non-discriminatory" agenda.They have taken your women, they have become president in the most powerful country in the world and now this, all this mostly because of discrimination in their favor,RACISM!!!!
If he so much as mentions anything about his proud African heritage you should promptly package him and send him back to "mama Africa" to race friggin goats.
Apart from the whole "black" champion thing, well done and gratz to the whole team of WHITES that supported this bloke and gave him the opportunity to let his (ambiguous)talent shine,they should get some credit too.
This is a comment I found in an article about this win,"...thus in the last and most crucial race,Massa was faster more determined and flawless, in comparison to Hamilton who appeared to be SLOW, and with a tendency for ERROR but LUCKY in the end (5th place) just barely snagging the championship from Massa by 1 point,who had more wins and more second places...", enough said.
Massa rules in my book and he is the one really deserving this title.

rider_xx wrote:That sounds racist,do you think the color of his skin had any significance on his success, or the fact that he holds a british passport.Why do we have to celebrate his success in conjunction to the color of his skin.
Btw do you call negroes in your country African-British, if so it is an African success as these people feel that its their "proud" African heritage that is key to their success, and not at all the opportunities, training and money SHOVELED in their way by British whites,in order to push a PC "non-discriminatory" agenda.They have taken your women, they have become president in the most powerful country in the world and now this, all this mostly because of discrimination in their favor,RACISM!!!!
If he so much as mentions anything about his proud African heritage you should promptly package him and send him back to "mama Africa" to race friggin goats.
Apart from the whole "black" champion thing, well done and gratz to the whole team of WHITES that supported this bloke and gave him the opportunity to let his (ambiguous)talent shine,they should get some credit too.
This is a comment I found in an article about this win,"...thus in the last and most crucial race,Massa was faster more determined and flawless, in comparison to Hamilton who appeared to be SLOW, and with a tendency for ERROR but LUCKY in the end (5th place) just barely snagging the championship from Massa by 1 point,who had more wins and more second places...", enough said.
Massa rules in my book and he is the one really deserving this title.

I wasn't being racist I was stating fact. First black champion is not racist

TH

TheHidden01 wrote:

rider_xx wrote:That sounds racist,do you think the color of his skin had any significance on his success, or the fact that he holds a british passport.Why do we have to celebrate his success in conjunction to the color of his skin.
Btw do you call negroes in your country African-British, if so it is an African success as these people feel that its their "proud" African heritage that is key to their success, and not at all the opportunities, training and money SHOVELED in their way by British whites,in order to push a PC "non-discriminatory" agenda.They have taken your women, they have become president in the most powerful country in the world and now this, all this mostly because of discrimination in their favor,RACISM!!!!
If he so much as mentions anything about his proud African heritage you should promptly package him and send him back to "mama Africa" to race friggin goats.
Apart from the whole "black" champion thing, well done and gratz to the whole team of WHITES that supported this bloke and gave him the opportunity to let his (ambiguous)talent shine,they should get some credit too.
This is a comment I found in an article about this win,"...thus in the last and most crucial race,Massa was faster more determined and flawless, in comparison to Hamilton who appeared to be SLOW, and with a tendency for ERROR but LUCKY in the end (5th place) just barely snagging the championship from Massa by 1 point,who had more wins and more second places...", enough said.
Massa rules in my book and he is the one really deserving this title.

I wasn't being racist I was stating fact. First black champion is not racist

TH

Here we go again, why should it be particularly stated that he is the "first black" F1 champion,I mean what is the significance,social background and locale is very significant due to cultural reasons, but color of skin makes no difference whatsoever,being black does not make you better as an athlete,gives you better genes (on the contrary), nor bigger cock, jump higher etc. etc. that is all jealous and hateful propaganda against the dominance and superiority of WHITE culture.
Again Massa is the real champion in the hearts of F1 fans that know real driving talent when they see it.For the first time in its history, F1 has a champion due to opportunity and luck, and surprise surprise its just happens to be a black man.

rider_xx wrote:

TheHidden01 wrote:

rider_xx wrote:That sounds racist,do you think the color of his skin had any significance on his success, or the fact that he holds a british passport.Why do we have to celebrate his success in conjunction to the color of his skin.
Btw do you call negroes in your country African-British, if so it is an African success as these people feel that its their "proud" African heritage that is key to their success, and not at all the opportunities, training and money SHOVELED in their way by British whites,in order to push a PC "non-discriminatory" agenda.They have taken your women, they have become president in the most powerful country in the world and now this, all this mostly because of discrimination in their favor,RACISM!!!!
If he so much as mentions anything about his proud African heritage you should promptly package him and send him back to "mama Africa" to race friggin goats.
Apart from the whole "black" champion thing, well done and gratz to the whole team of WHITES that supported this bloke and gave him the opportunity to let his (ambiguous)talent shine,they should get some credit too.
This is a comment I found in an article about this win,"...thus in the last and most crucial race,Massa was faster more determined and flawless, in comparison to Hamilton who appeared to be SLOW, and with a tendency for ERROR but LUCKY in the end (5th place) just barely snagging the championship from Massa by 1 point,who had more wins and more second places...", enough said.
Massa rules in my book and he is the one really deserving this title.

I wasn't being racist I was stating fact. First black champion is not racist

TH

Here we go again, why should it be particularly stated that he is the "first black" F1 champion,I mean what is the significance,social background and locale is very significant due to cultural reasons, but color of skin makes no difference whatsoever,being black does not make you better as an athlete,gives you better genes (on the contrary), nor bigger cock, jump higher etc. etc. that is all jealous and hateful propaganda against the dominance and superiority of WHITE culture.
Again Massa is the real champion in the hearts of F1 fans that know real driving talent when they see it.For the first time in its history, F1 has a champion due to opportunity and luck, and surprise surprise its just happens to be a black man.

I didn't say his colour affected his ability.

TH

TheHidden01 wrote:
I didn't say his colour affected his ability.

TH

It sure affected the public reaction, if it was a white winning by a fluke all kinda of negative remarks and complaints would be made, and outrage would be rife.Because of his color, hey ho break open the champagne,hurrah, black assertive action does it again, give him a free pass to divinity.
Btw the article I quoted was from a Greek athletic site, as in no way, god(of PC) forbid a black man would be called slow,erroneous, and winning a championship by fluke either by a British or American column (there is a much better chance of hell freezing over). In fewer words, with crystal clear clarity, screaming RACISM!!!!!
At least blacks in your country respect the privilege given to them of living in a civilized country, by holding names like Hamilton,I respect that.If it was the US we where talking about, he would be called something in the likes of Bubbah X, Muhammad Ali, 50 fucking cents (what the hell), snort dog(or is it snoop,I am confused with all that coke he chugs and pushes), or some other hip hop crap culture BS name.

rider_xx wrote:

TheHidden01 wrote:
I didn't say his colour affected his ability.

TH

It sure affected the public reaction, if it was a white winning by a fluke all kinda of negative remarks and complaints would be made, and outrage would be rife.Because of his color, hey ho break open the champagne,hurrah, black assertive action does it again, give him a free pass to divinity.
Btw the article I quoted was from a Greek athletic site, as in no way, god(of PC) forbid a black man would be called slow,erroneous, and winning a championship by fluke either by a British or American column (there is a much better chance of hell freezing over). In fewer words, with crystal clear clarity, screaming RACISM!!!!!
At least blacks in your country respect the privilege given to them of living in a civilized country, by holding names like Hamilton,I respect that.If it was the US we where talking about, he would be called something in the likes of Bubbah X, Muhammad Ali, 50 fucking cents (what the hell), snort dog(or is it snoop,I am confused with all that coke he chugs and pushes), or some other hip hop crap culture BS name.

LOL! Well it's true, I think it's wrong to deny that black's don't have a different culture. That's just the way they are.

Anyway back onto motor racing, it was indeed Massa that won the most races, but Hamilton did get the points and no matter what people say, that's World Champion.

TH

TheHidden01 wrote:

rider_xx wrote:

TheHidden01 wrote:
I didn't say his colour affected his ability.

TH

It sure affected the public reaction, if it was a white winning by a fluke all kinda of negative remarks and complaints would be made, and outrage would be rife.Because of his color, hey ho break open the champagne,hurrah, black assertive action does it again, give him a free pass to divinity.
Btw the article I quoted was from a Greek athletic site, as in no way, god(of PC) forbid a black man would be called slow,erroneous, and winning a championship by fluke either by a British or American column (there is a much better chance of hell freezing over). In fewer words, with crystal clear clarity, screaming RACISM!!!!!
At least blacks in your country respect the privilege given to them of living in a civilized country, by holding names like Hamilton,I respect that.If it was the US we where talking about, he would be called something in the likes of Bubbah X, Muhammad Ali, 50 fucking cents (what the hell), snort dog(or is it snoop,I am confused with all that coke he chugs and pushes), or some other hip hop crap culture BS name.

LOL! Well it's true, I think it's wrong to deny that black's don't have a different culture. That's just the way they are.

Anyway back onto motor racing, it was indeed Massa that won the most races, but Hamilton did get the points and no matter what people say, that's World Champion.

TH

Yeah, yeah, ok, enjoy it while it lasts!

rider_xx wrote:

TheHidden01 wrote:

rider_xx wrote:

TheHidden01 wrote:
I didn't say his colour affected his ability.

TH

It sure affected the public reaction, if it was a white winning by a fluke all kinda of negative remarks and complaints would be made, and outrage would be rife.Because of his color, hey ho break open the champagne,hurrah, black assertive action does it again, give him a free pass to divinity.
Btw the article I quoted was from a Greek athletic site, as in no way, god(of PC) forbid a black man would be called slow,erroneous, and winning a championship by fluke either by a British or American column (there is a much better chance of hell freezing over). In fewer words, with crystal clear clarity, screaming RACISM!!!!!
At least blacks in your country respect the privilege given to them of living in a civilized country, by holding names like Hamilton,I respect that.If it was the US we where talking about, he would be called something in the likes of Bubbah X, Muhammad Ali, 50 fucking cents (what the hell), snort dog(or is it snoop,I am confused with all that coke he chugs and pushes), or some other hip hop crap culture BS name.

LOL! Well it's true, I think it's wrong to deny that black's don't have a different culture. That's just the way they are.

Anyway back onto motor racing, it was indeed Massa that won the most races, but Hamilton did get the points and no matter what people say, that's World Champion.

TH

Yeah, yeah, ok, enjoy it while it lasts!

He nearly won it last season and it's only his second season don't forget that! I predict he will be in the world title picture for a long time.

TH

Its like alot of things rider like its a big thing that Obama is the first BLACK president will he be remembered for doing (potentially) good or bad things or simply by the color of his skin?

Hamilton being black (well coffee) makes no difference to his ability to drive a race car which is surely undisputed, he may be arrogant but its understandable he has succeeded at every category he has entered now he has won the biggest prize of all (though i think WRC is FAR more challenging than F1)

Well done Lewis but furthermore well done McLaren.

Mattku wrote:he may be arrogant

Schumacher anyone? :p

TH

TheHidden01 wrote:

Mattku wrote:he may be arrogant

Schumacher anyone? :p

TH

again rightfully so, like that cunit Ronaldo i hate the prick but if i was as good at football as him i think i would be too.

Mattku wrote:Its like alot of things rider like its a big thing that Obama is the first BLACK president will he be remembered for doing (potentially) good or bad things or simply by the color of his skin?

Hamilton being black (well coffee) makes no difference to his ability to drive a race car which is surely undisputed, he may be arrogant but its understandable he has succeeded at every category he has entered now he has won the biggest prize of all (though i think WRC is FAR more challenging than F1)

Well done Lewis but furthermore well done McLaren.

Anyone who drives in F1 has undisputed driving talent,even the obscure ones we seldom hear about.But among the best there are other names that have proven that they deserved that title THIS SEASON more than Hamilton(MASA!!!!).To be clear to you lads, my beef is not with Hamilton himself, but the whole media circus that would otherwise chastise another driver for poor performance and "stealing the title" if his skin color was of lighter shade,and he won a championship by the "skin of his teeth" (thats how Hamilton got it,strugling with his poor performance until the very last turn for a friggin 5th place,not champion material in my view,at least not this season).

by the very virtue of the format of a season long points system by no means did Hamilton 'steal' the title he won it by simply accumulating more points that masa he may have won more races but what use is that if you cant be consistent at the end of the day Lewis did what was required on the last day he got the position which crowed him champion. im pretty sure Hamilton will win many more championships in his years.

Mattku wrote:

TheHidden01 wrote:

Mattku wrote:he may be arrogant

Schumacher anyone? :p

TH

again rightfully so, like that cunit Ronaldo i hate the prick but if i was as good at football as him i think i would be too.

Everyone who can succeed in perfection should feel rightfully superior, as the definition of arrogance is when someone "thinks" he is better than everyone else when that is not entirely true.
Arrogance thus does not apply to Schumacher imho,and although I despise the guy's attitude and shady methods he is known of pulling off (running peeps of the track to get the inside lane etc.),we must admit he is one if not "the best" F1 driver of all time as he has never been seriously threatened by his best antagonists, and has shown EVERYTIME and under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES that he was in a league of his own, untouchable/unreachable by the best other drivers his time had to offer.
Hamilton, with all due respect, is not in above category(I did not see anything special this season)....he should drop being arrogant (if he is at all) in any way and be thankful that McLaren and its team gave him the opportunity to reach this achievement.
He is young and has potential, and I honestly hope he lives up to expectations and wins a second one to shut mouths like mine up, but until he proves he deserves the immortality that was thrown his way by mostly luck imo,I will be rooting for Massa.

Actually rider Arrogance by definition means an offensive display of superiority or self-importance eg overbearing pride. nothing to do with being or doing or having the correct grounds to stand on.

I Dont mind massa its more Farrari i don't like their arrogance (that magic word again) to be honest i just like to tune in and watch a good race i dot really care who wins i quite like Lewis as a personality and as a driver due to the way he has come up the racing ranks from kart and up the formula racing series coupled with the fact that he is still young and fighting for the championship.

Mattku wrote:by the very virtue of the format of a season long points system by no means did Hamilton 'steal' the title he won it by simply accumulating more points that masa he may have won more races but what use is that if you cant be consistent at the end of the day Lewis did what was required on the last day he got the position which crowed him champion. im pretty sure Hamilton will win many more championships in his years.

When being consistent at being mediocre ,wins championships, I think its time the rules should be revised and the point system reassesed.Don't more 1st place wins by Massa show consistence in his talent,and in my view should earn much more points than consistent 3rd places or even worse of Hamilton this season.
I believe Mattku that you might be more knowledgeable than me on the intricate details of automotive racing,and you maybe right about how it should be "fair", but bottom line for me is that the consistently faster should be the winner and not the most all around consistent, and beware of systems that promote that kind of numbers rule, as motorsports are more (or should be) about spectacular driving talent first than hard(and frankly speaking...boring) calculated numbers,leave that for accounting.
Otherwise you loose the masses, that care little or not at all for the hard numbers,they are always looking(myself included) for heroes that rise above all others,and not calculating strategists that are content,in the final race nontheless, when winning the point that gives them the advantage(lame 5th place), by numbers and not virtue.If he had put the pedal to the metal and gotten at least the second place in that race,even the third (a podium position), I would have much more respect for your champion.I saw that race and I know driving enough to judge at least his outlook and mentality,and I saw fear and hesitation in his driving,and that does not project champion mettle in my book.
Again I will stress, that I honestly hope he gives a better "show" next year.That will be a benefit for all.And even if he doesn't win, he will have gained a place in my heart (the motorsports part), because I will know he has tried his best and has driven to his true potential/limit,providing us with the show we deserve.

Mattku wrote:...to be honest i just like to tune in and watch a good race i dot really care who...

Exactly my concern too,and unfortunately I don't see Hamilton with the same sympathy, as I did not even know who he was before a year or so.
I can perfectly understand you Brits standing behind your team (Hamilton/McLaren),I would expect nothing less than that, but you got to understand that the name Ferrari carries alot of weight behind it and never have I seen any of the Ferrari officials display any kind of arrogance in any of their official expressions(in my twisted definition of the word arrogance at least).
If you mean pride ,since when it is a bad thing to be proud(even the overbearing type) about making the best automobiles (again IMO) of ALL TIME.
You are also abit unfair in seeing the couple Hamilton/McLaren as the underdogs that proved better than the "arrogant" Massa/Ferrari team,as both in no way are underdogs and your expectations for their combined performance should be much higher and not just enough to wisk away a championship by hard numbers.They should have done it with more umpf,fanfare and in your face, even if it involved more risk, much more fitting to a young promising driver then the old man fart,keep that 5th place safe, win they displayed.Shamefull...

Note:OT alert. I was actually trying to bait you into this argument and not TH, cause first and foremost I miss our banter (I get to "do" TH on vent daily), and second you can take the argument above the racist angle I approached with TH.No offence to Hidden about his motorsports knowledge nontheless,but he does not strike me to be as passionate as you are about it.Btw did you actually look up the definition of arrogance on websters,lol!!!
I admit you won that one, although I was grasping at the way the word is commonly used and its meaning.And for Christs sake the guy is BLACK not coffee,coffee is a plant/drink NOT a color.

OK then He is not black, he is brown. as we would say "more coffee than creme" hes not black like a Nigerian or something hes "milked down" not that it matters in any way at all.

Lewis is an underdog due to his age and supposed inexperience, its a big step up into Formula 1 no matter where you have been previously. im not actually a HUGE fan of F1 i prefer world rally and touring cars to be honest but yes i do watch and follow the sport but i dont have a favorite team.

you hit the nail on the head with Ferrari whether you meant to or not, they have a huge following and are pretty much expected to win all the time that is a reputation they have built up and well done to them but in my view due to this they have an air of arrogance about them to that extent. there is also a huge bias towards them which is evident in the marshaling decisions an the FIA's rulings at times, and that's not me being biased as i said i have no allegiance to any of the F1 teams

the only way you can do a contest over a season imo is with a points structure over the fixtures whether it be football, basketball, motor racing or ping pong to do it by the team that wins the most games is not feasible as to achieve the highest points total you have to win a majority of the time or in the case of F1 you have to finish in the top 3 every race, the most important thing is to finish in the points. there is all sorts of talk about F1 at the moment with rule changes and forced car changes even all of them having the same engine which is daft, they may as well give them all Ford Fiestas if there all going to drive the same damn car and make it a tin top race series like amature race drivers race in at the weekends.

Mattku wrote:...the only way you can do a contest over a season imo is with a points structure over the fixtures whether it be football, basketball, motor racing or ping pong to do it by the team that wins the most games is not feasible as to achieve the highest points total you have to win a majority of the time or in the case of F1 you have to finish in the top 3 every race, the most important thing is to finish in the points. there is all sorts of talk about F1 at the moment with rule changes and forced car changes even all of them having the same engine which is daft, they may as well give them all Ford Fiestas if there all going to drive the same damn car and make it a tin top race series like amature race drivers race in at the weekends...

I agree completely, about the point system and its fairness,but that is also a double edged sword.In my life experience whenever any structured entity,tries to set rules that will be santizingly fair it fails miserably cause it takes out the element of surprise and actually kills any chance of an underdog taking a lead.Look at the universe around us, nothing is overtly fair,on the contrary.
I understand that any expression of organized sport needs rules and limits to set the playing field but some times they tend to go overboard with the friggin details and numbers inevitably destroying the fun in the whole process for the participants and more dangerously,alienating fans thus diminishing the much needed part of financial fuel that the said sport needs to keep it going and more importantly improving.I am tottaly in sync with you when you gripe about it getting even in the sense of having similar engines/frames/techs to the point of making me barf,as the sport (F1) did not start like that.I remember a time when every team had secret weapons/technologies in their cars as to smoke the competition until the rest caught up with the tech,horsepower was in four digits and the cars where each individual masterpieces of engineering.Today, although I admit the tech used is impressive nowadays, they all MUST have it or it is forbidden to be used,and that has gone astray to what this sport was about according to its creators(pushing the limits of both drivers and engineers).

Abit OT, but a good example of this situation has been set up in AoC (extreeme fairness)concerning PvP rules, and we have all witnessed the toll it has taken. People are bailing the game because its so troublesome to keep track who you are killing,and how many times you can kill them before you are labeled a murderer(a label which carries an assortment of annoying penalties),that its not fun anymore.
When I moaned about this system on official site before it was implemented, I was flamed and labeled an imbecile for whining about something I haden't tried yet,resulting in a locked thread after my abusive retalition to their flaming posts.I hate it when I am right about these things, but even more I hate that people are so near sighted that they don't realize any system of additional rules is a system of control.Control of who you should kill,and how many times, has no place in a friggin game where killing other players is the whole point.Oh, you can kill npc's indifferently though as they won't whine on the forums.Meh,Might as well go back to playing single player RPG's.
Excuse the wall of text but I really needed to vent about this.

i might have to mod you rider for going off topic but i guess its somewhat in context, in the British touring car championship they came up with a fun new ruling to try and keep the field level. On the Saturday of a race weekend there are two practice sessions followed by a 30-minute qualifying session which determines the starting order for the first race on the Sunday, the fastest driver lining up in pole position.

The result of race one determines the grid order for race two (ie the winner starts on pole). For race three, a wheel is spun to decide at which place the grid is 'reversed'. This means drivers finishing 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th in race two could take pole position for race 3 depending on the outcome of the draw. For example, if the spinning wheel stops at position 7, the driver finishing in 7th position in race two starts on pole, 6th place starts in second place, 5th place starts in third etc. Drivers finishing in 8th place and beyond would start race three in their finishing order for race two. The draw is normally conducted by the winner of race two, unless this driver is competing for the championship at the final meeting. this throws up alot of unsuspecting results but you still have the top teams and drivers emerging victorious at the end of the season it just makes it all that more random.

This kind of format would never be implemented in F1 though. i actually think the format of F1 is fine, also taking TCS away from them was the right move, how can anyone claim to be the greatest driver in the world of motorsport with traction control turned on? its acceptable in WRC as the surface is variable and invariably moved underneath the car but in track racing this is not the case and NO TCS is the way forwards.

I like the sound of weapons though rider, make it like wacky races! NOW THAT WOULD BE FUN!

Mattku wrote:
This kind of format would never be implemented in F1 though. i actually think the format of F1 is fine.

Thank God for that,as the system you discribe has no place whatsoever in a competitive sport.Spining wheels belong to a lottery draw,not a race!

It works really well in BTCC which is a brilliant race series much more competitive and much more wheel to wheel last lap action.

The only problem with celebrating the top three is your forgetting the less teams. Without that honour of achieving 8th or 7th there is no chance they can get anything from a season and it WILL cause teams to leave F1. If you don't have the money to contend it will be reduced to about 6 racers. It also adds an element of chance for outside teams to shine. Not every racing fan wants to see the same racers win every week. Remember when the old Minardi team used to get a point? It was fantastic!

TH